Ep. 42 Without Government, Workers Are Doomed

9 July 2016     |     Tom Woods     |     10

This week, Krugman is unhappy that Donald Trump has earned a reputation as a defender of workers. How can he be, wonders Krugman, if he doesn’t support Obamacare, more privileges for labor unions, higher taxes on the rich, and so on?

Krugman Column

Trump, Trade and Workers” (July 4, 2016)

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Book Mentioned

The Primal Prescription, by Doug McGuff, MD and Robert P. Murphy, PhD

Article Mentioned

In Praise of Cheap Labor,” by Paul Krugman

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  • Bob_Robert

    One of my favorite progressives:

    • Mojo

      He is actually making a good point. Anar-Capitalists are just insane and stupid. Without a government guess what will happen? We will somehow create a new government. This is human nature. Conservatives accept government and we advocate for good capitalism and free market in a defined state with a government which have a role to play. Libertarians are extreme and insane as communists.

      • http://www.TomWoods.com Tom Woods

        Leaving aside the “insane” and “stupid” stuff, which contributes nothing, are you actually saying you think the progressive is correct? The free market can’t produce any of those things?

        • Mojo

          The free market produces wonderful goods and services and I’m all for it. “Paving roads or building a power grid” are made by private companies who sign contracts with governments to do these projects. So it’s actually done by private sector under the directions and demand of the public. In today’s world transition to anarchy in a peaceful manner is impossible.

          Now if you desire living in a nation, things like national security, policing, and judicial system that serves the nation, impartial and accountable to people can only be achieved by a collective effort through a government. I know you may point out to some flaws in the areas I mentioned but it’s still serve a purpose. Communists wasted their life time trying to figure out, what in their utopia, will motivate a person to work if they can’t accumulate wealth or make an income? It’s the same fallacy from the other end with Anar-Capitalists, relying on NAP is unrealistic.

          The illegal drug market operates on trust since it’s not sanctioned by law, without law and the presence of authority which a victim can seek to achieve justice, violence rules. That is a micro-picture of how your utopia would be. People like Peter Schiff even say that without the presence of government, just like every time in human history and nature, a form of government will be erected.

          • Bob_Robert

            “In today’s world transition to anarchy in a peaceful manner is impossible.”

            Why? Is it impossible to build a road without government direction? Yes, it’s done every day.

            So what is your argument?

      • Bob_Robert

        “Without a government guess what will happen?”

        What has happened in the past? The services which, today, are assumed to be produced by government, are produced by private efforts instead.

        There is nothing that government does, not even “coordinate the paving of roads” or “licensing electricians”, that is not done better, cheaper, or both, privately.

        I would really like to see what private sewage efforts would look like. Imagine for just a moment what the motivation to economize, to reduce costs and provide BETTER service, would do to these antiquated, corrupt, wasteful “services”.

        Haven’t you bothered to listen to the episode on Detroit Threat Management?

        http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-597-can-the-private-sector-protect-against-crime-this-case-study-will-blow-your-mind/

        “We will somehow create a new government.”

        Who is “we”?

        • Mojo

          Repeating my comment to Mr. Woods.

          The free market produces wonderful goods and services and I’m all for it. “Paving roads or building a power grid” are made by private companies who sign contracts with governments to do these projects. So it’s actually done by private sector under the directions and demand of the public. In today’s world transition to anarchy in a peaceful manner is impossible.

          Now if you desire living in a nation, things like national security, policing, and judicial system that serves the nation, impartial and accountable to people can only be achieved by a collective effort through a government. I know you may point out to some flaws in the areas I mentioned but it’s still serve a purpose. Communists wasted their life time trying to figure out, what in their utopia, will motivate a person to work if they can’t accumulate wealth or make an income? It’s the same fallacy from the other end with Anar-Capitalists, relying on NAP is unrealistic.

          The illegal drug market operates on trust since it’s not sanctioned by law, without law and the presence of authority which a victim can seek to achieve justice, violence rules. That is a micro-picture of how your utopia would be. People like Peter Schiff even say that without the presence of government, just like every time in human history and nature, a form of government will be erected.

          • Bob_Robert

            “So it’s actually done by private sector under the directions and demand of the public.”

            That is incorrect. The demand is by _government_, not the public.

            Once you get past this illusion, that the institution of violence somehow is “the public”, its evil becomes obvious.

          • Mojo

            Are you really that stupid? The public vote for the people who end up managing the government. . When someone says, “these are public lands” it’s the same as “government land”. Institution of violence? Evil? People can vote out the government they don’t like. You talk just like the Communists nuts who I chat with on the Internet.

          • Bob_Robert

            “Are you really that stupid?”

            Yes. I look around, I don’t see a “public”. I see people, I see individuals and institutions.

            When the government orders something, it is not “the public”. It is the GOVERNMENT. The individuals who constitute the institution of violence.

            When MacDonald’s does something, is that “the public”? Yet they are individuals who constitute an institution, exactly like those who make up a “government”.

            “People can vote out the government they don’t like.”

            Let me remind you that Congress has a 13% approval rating, and an 90% re-election rate. So no, your theory is disproved by reality.

            Also, if I don’t want a MacDonald’s hamburger, there is absolutely nothing that MacDonald’s can do about it.

            Unlike the institution of violence, the “government”, which can rule at any time that I owe them any quantity of my wealth for ANY REASON, and kill me if I don’t pay up, calling it “tax evasion”.

            “You talk just like the Communists nuts who I chat with on the Internet.”

            Funny, you are making excuses for government, just like the Communists I chat with on the Internet.